Tuesday, April 17, 2007

Don't try this at work

Daniel Loeb is a prominent (i.e. super-mega-rich) hedge-fund manager known as much for his financial savvy as for his sharp tongue. People refer to him as one of the "Bad Boys" of the hedge-fund industry.

Here's a copy of an email exchange he had with a job recruit:


From: Alan Lewis To: Daniel Loeb March 22 2005
Daniel, thanks for calling earlier today. Enclosed is my CV for your review. I look forward to following up with you when you have more time. Best regards, Alan.

From: Daniel Loeb To: Alan Lewis March 28 2005
What are your three best current European ideas?

From: Alan Lewis To: Daniel Loeb March 28 2005
Daniel, I am sorry but it does not interest me to move forward in this way. If you wish to have a proper discussion about what you are looking to accomplish in Europe, and see how I might fit in, fine. Lesson one of dealing in Europe: business is not conducted in the same informal manner as in the US. Best regards, Alan.

From: Daniel Loeb To: Alan Lewis March 28 2005
One idea would suffice.

We are an aggressive performance-oriented fund looking for blood-thirsty competitive individuals, who show initiative and drive, to make outstanding investments.

This is why I have built Third Point into a $3bn (£1.6bn) fund with average net returns of 30 per cent over 10 years. We find most Brits are a bit set in their ways and prefer to knock back a pint at the pub and go shooting on weekends rather than work hard. Lifestyle choices are important and knowing one's limitations with respect to dealing in a competitive environment is too. That is Lesson one at my shop. It is good that we learnt about this incompatibility early in the process and I wish you all the best in your career in traditional fund management.

From: Alan Lewis To: Daniel Loeb March 28 2005
Daniel, I guess your reputation is proven correct. I have not been in traditional fund management for more than 11 years. I did not achieve the success I have by knocking back a pint, as you say. I am aggressive, and I do love this business.

I am half American and half French, and having spent more than half my life on this side of the pond I think I know a little something about how one conducts business in the UK and Europe.

There are many opportunities in the UK and Europe, shareholder regard is only beginning to be accepted and understood. However, if you come here and handle it in the same brash way you have in the US, I guarantee you will fail. Things are done differently here. Yes, place in society still matters, where one went to school etc. It will take tact and patience (traits you obviously do not have) to succeed in this arena. Good luck! Alan.

From: Daniel Loeb To: Alan Lewis March 28 2005
Well, you will have plenty of time to discuss your "place in society" with the other fellows at the club. I love the idea of a French/English unemployed guy, whose fund just blew up, telling me that I am going to fail.

At Third Point, like the financial markets in general, "one's place in society" does not matter at all. We are a bunch of scrappy guys from diverse backgrounds (Jewish Muslim, Hindu etc) who enjoy outwitting pompous asses, like yourself, in financial markets globally.

Your "inexplicable insouciance" and disrespect is fascinating; It must be a French/English aristocratic thing. I will be following your "career" with great interest.

I have copied Patrick so that he can introduce you to people who might be a better fit. There must be an insurance company or mutual fund out there for you. Dan Loeb.

From: Alan Lewis To: Daniel Loeb March 28 2005
Hubris.

From: Daniel Loeb To: Alan Lewis March 28 2005
Laziness.

Totally fuckin' arrogant! The guy sends out the most hilariously unabashed emails EVER and I love it!!!

via PercyWalker.

10 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

како, всичко след първото изречение на четвъртото писмо е излишен шум. за заети хора, каквито се представят, се обясняват и самохвалстват твърде много.

4/17/2007 2:15 PM  
Blogger petya said...

ами не е точно така. този Андрю Луис нямам представа какъв е, но Даниел Лоуб е от ГОЛЕМИТЕ акули (по обективно измерими показатели). според мен този кратък обмен на мейли по-скоро е супер-красноречив относно това, че човек каквото и да прави не може да избяга от характера си... ако си арогантен кучи син, си арогантен кучи син (+ или - няколко милиарда долара).

4/17/2007 6:19 PM  
Blogger Yana said...

Да, Лоуб е известен. Вероятно е използвал кореспонденцията с Луис да разпусне малко...

4/20/2007 1:19 AM  
Anonymous Anton said...

Andrew Lewis ran a hedge fund called Sthenos Capital, which blew up in late 2004 (not sure of the exact reason, but I'm sure it was driven by a couple of big bets in the wrong direction and generous leverage). Loeb runs an activist HF called Third Point, which has indeed delivered superior returns over its life (though Loeb is not exactly risk-averse and has been known to lose lots of money at once, too). This put him on many an investor's radar and in a superior starting position in this exchange. Now, from what I've read online about this email squabble, all this may have been pretty tongue-in-cheek. Then again, having read some of Loeb's letters to investors, it may have been dead serious.

Still, gotta love Loeb.

4/20/2007 5:07 AM  
Blogger petya said...

Andrew Lewis sounds like he has a stick up his ass.

Anton, there are websites dedicated to Loeb's business correspondence! Have you seen those? Some of that stuff is AWESOME! In general, I don't like this kind of cocky behavior, but for some reason I continue to be a huge Loeb fan. Go figure.

Are you Yana's husband?

4/20/2007 1:08 PM  
Blogger Yana said...

Yeah, he is.

He discovered my promise to try the Altoid trick (which I had forgotten about)... :)

4/20/2007 6:56 PM  
Blogger caterina said...

Fantastic! Thanks for pointing this one out, I love it.

And thank for your well-wishing on Caterina.net. Best!

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