Wednesday, July 18, 2007

The math of immigration

The good news is that as of today, Kyle is the proud owner of a permit for continuous residence in Bulgaria. The bad news is that we need to go through the whole thing, all over again, in 6 months. Let me explain.

In order for the foreign spouse of a Bulgarian citizen to reside in this thriving economy of ours, they need to possess a residence permit. They cannot apply for a permanent residence right away. They need to jump through the hoops for several years in order to earn the right to apply for permanent residence. Also, it is NOT up to them to decide how long their continuous residence should last. The state has decided that the maximum period for continuous residence is 1 year. It costs 500 leva. After your one year is up, you need to re-apply. And pay another 500 leva. You can only apply for permanent residence after five years in the country.

The interesting thing is that a 6-month continous residence permit costs 200 leva. In other words, if you apply for your permit twice a year, you would end up paying less than if you did it all once. I.e. you have a monetary incentive to deal with the whole bureaucracy of obtaining the permit more than once a year.

So, I did the math, and realized that after:

- submitting 10 application packages
- making at least 20 trips to the immigration office (one to submit the application and one to get your passport stamped)
- living here for at least 5 years
- and paying 2000 leva to the state of Bulgaria

...PERHAPS, maybe...some time in the summer of 2012, Kyle will be given a chance to apply for permanent residency in Bulgaria on the account of being married to me.

Thanks for the good wishes in advance. But, seriously, can someone please shoot me instead? Or give us a consultation with an immigration lawyer as a wedding present...There MUST be a way out of this nightmare!

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26 Comments:

Anonymous зазие said...

ами предполагам, че никъде не ти дават гражданство след половин година... мисля, че не е нужно да давам примери с конкретни страни. процедурата си е ок, не може всеки на който му кефне да го посрещаме с пита и чубрица и да го правим българин на момента. нищо против кайл, ама законът трябва да е еднакъв за всички нали:)

7/18/2007 5:55 PM  
Blogger petya said...

ние на кандидатстваме за гражданство, а за възможността кайл да живее в българия. от легална гледна точка, нещата са изключително различни. и да, разбира се, че законът трябва да е еднакъв за всички.

ние нямаме нищо против законите, а против това колко неефективно се прилагат. в нито един момент от цялата процедура, нито аз, нито кайл, сме имали усещането, че служителките в имиграционната служба знаят каква точно е процедурата и какви са конкретните стъпки, през които трябва да минем. всичко стана с много молби и нахалсвтане, а информацията ни я даваха на час по лъжичка.

това, очевидно, се случва по по-различен начин на други места по света. мисля, че не е нужно да давам приемери с конкретни страни. ;)

7/18/2007 6:04 PM  
Blogger Yana said...

As a Bulgarian, married to a US citizen, I earned my permanent residence in the US for three weeks by following clear instructions on the US Embassy site. I have to renew it in two years and after three years of residing on US ground I can apply for citizenship. All this because the US recognize the right of my husband to live with his wife in his country.

Кайл не е "който му кефне". Той е омъжен за българка, семейство са, а семействата живеят заедно.

7/18/2007 6:25 PM  
Blogger kgrady said...

yana,

Thanks for your awesome and understanding comment! I was trying to write a patient and thoughtful response, but you said exactly what I wanted to say, a thousand times better than I could have. :)

And zazie, of course the law has to be the same for everyone. What ever made you think that we thought otherwise?!

7/18/2007 6:35 PM  
Anonymous Elena said...

This is awful. I hope you guys get it sorted out soon. Kyle IS Bulgarian :)

7/18/2007 9:57 PM  
Blogger DJ said...

Again, if you want to talk to my American colleague who is married to a Bulgarian (and living and working in Bulgaria) let me know. She can at least download what she has been through and how she's done it, if nothing else.

Otherwise, the other thing I have heard of how you can get BG citizenship (or permanent residence, not sure which) quickly is if you invest X amount of money in Bulgaria. Don't know how big that sum is... probably more than your calculation of applying for continuous residence every 6 months for the next 5 years. But still might be worth checking out.

Sorry that you have to go through this crap! But if it's any consolation, at least you are going through it together and you will overcome it for sure!

7/18/2007 10:10 PM  
Anonymous dians said...

и на двама ви пожелавам много сили в борбата с бг бюрокрация! нелепите истории в системата нямат край. обаче американците как са нагодили закона по психологическия момент с 3те години при връзките..прецизни ;)

7/18/2007 10:11 PM  
Blogger Nikolay said...

Guys, its too bad you have to go through that hassle. I know a good BG immigration lawyer. Let me know if you are interested and I will get you in touch. I will not comment on the Bulgarian immigration system or the whole legal system for that matter. It merits no comment. Immigration laws are legalized form of discrimination, what else is to be said...

7/19/2007 12:24 AM  
Blogger petya said...

elena:
kyle IS bulgarian! that's what i keep saying ;)

denny:
kyle got the permit already. we went there many times and talked to a lot of people and were able to figure it out...somehow. apparently, the law was JUST changed. before that, you could apply for a two-year continous residence permit and apply for permanent residence right after that. but now, with the new law, that's changed. the weird part is...the officials at the immigrations office were so unhelpful most of the time, i don't even believe that there were in fact any changes to the law! i would not be surprised if they were just trying to shut us up.

dians:
да...ако си решил да придобиваш гражданство по незаконен начин...едва ли ще чакаш пет години, за да го направиш. ;)

7/19/2007 12:27 AM  
Blogger petya said...

seriously! i can't believe that we have to fight for our right to be together. you always hear these horror stories about families being apart. or wonder about illegal immigrants...well, honestly, i am not surprised. it'd be easier to be illegal in this country than to successfully navigate its immigration system. we might need to meet with your friend at some point... :)

7/19/2007 12:31 AM  
Anonymous Dimiter said...

Пете, истеричният начин да постигнете моментално разрешение на казуса е да спретнете едно предаване по някой сутрешен TV блок... ;)... а ако трябва и някое протестче може да наредим пред Президенството :D

По-сериозно: консултирайте се с адвокат... математиката може да излезе по-евтина :)

7/20/2007 1:38 PM  
Blogger petya said...

Честно казано и аз си мислех дали да не спретнем някоя лична драма по националния ефир. Но не сме такива хора.

Ще се консултираме с адвокат, да. Като се замисля обаче, че единственото, от което имаме нужда е един страничка в интернет, в която с прости думи и десет изречения да бъда обяснено кое точно как и колко...

Но очевидно това е too much to ask...

7/20/2007 1:49 PM  
Anonymous Emo said...

Petia Privet

Cheta postinga ti i mi nastruhva kosata. Jena mi e ot Peru, i ima zelena carta, koiato poluchi 5 sedmitzi sled pristiganeto i v USA. Imame namerenie da posetim Bulgaria. Za sega sme na etap chakane na Bulgarska turisticheska visa ot BG consulate v NY.

Kakuv e protzesa v BG za poluchavane na udostoverenie za postoiano prebivavane i kolko vreme otnema?

Thanks

9/03/2007 11:27 PM  
Blogger petya said...

Емо, за кратки посещения няма проблем, но процесът с продължителното пребиваване е меко казано тъп и сложен. Изпрати ми мейл с контакти и ще ти отговоря по-подробно. С голяма радост ще ви помогнем!!!

9/04/2007 11:03 AM  
Anonymous Meggie said...

This is really quite relevant to me and my situation. I am an American and my boyfriend is Bulgarian. At some point we would like to end this long distance thing and live together, get married, all that jazz, but the question that still remains is where. There's still going to be another year till we can really think about getting married due to us finishing college, but both of us would be ok with relocating. I don't know why the US, with its constant bitching about immigration, makes it a thousand times easier for him to come to me than Bulgaria makes it to come to him. World community, my ass.

10/11/2007 9:58 AM  
Blogger petya said...

Well...Meggie...I couldn't agree more. All I have to say is you should try to keep a positive attitude about it because it does EVENTUALLY make for a good story. But it IS a major pain in the ass and it sucks to have to deal with it...on either side of the ocean. Please let me know if you need any help figuring out how to go about it. Unfortunately, we've become experts on it. ;)

10/11/2007 5:37 PM  
Blogger Xilophon said...

I have a bit of a provocative suggestion. Try to get Kyle a Macedonian citizenship first and then try to apply for Bulgarian citizenship as a Macedonian. My bet is that the authorities will be much more forthcoming. Or in the worst case you can find one of those middle-men in Macedonia to get you a Bulgarian passport. Usually costs around 700$. The more you pay the less you wait. Good luck o both of you!

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